Sunday, 22 February 2009

Re scotty1500's post in April 2008 about prefects

John Scott's original posting back in April 2008, attracted a couple of 'replies' this week (on February 17th.) ...
I have realised that the replies, although attached, probably won't be seen unless you go back to the original posting, so I thought I would TRY and bring it in to the 'present' time ... I will try to 'copy and paste' a reply from John Andrews in Canada and one from myself also ... hope it works !!! ... you'd better cross everything.

26 comments:

  1. ja1479
    ja1479 wrote on Feb 17
    John, just saw your note about Tony Bayliss. I lived at 52 Brookwood Avenue overlooking the cemetery, with the Wainwrights next door and then the Bayliss family. I recollect that the name of his sister was Audrey. I believe the family owned a fish business on High Street in Eastleigh. Now you are really taking me back..............

    John Andrews, Williams Lake, British Columbia, Canada




    deeceeau wrote on Feb 17
    NOW we are testing some memories ! ...
    Bayliss (Bros. I think it was) was the only decent fish shop for miles around although we had a good one on the Parade in C/Ford (Harry Perrott) but Bayliss's was so much bigger and had a far larger selection of fish ... I remember the bus ride on the No. 46 to Eastleigh and back with my Mother when I was younger (a LOT younger) ... the fare was 2d. return for me and 3d. return for her from the top of Leigh Road (single fares then were 1d. for me and 2d. for her) ...
    Reference Wainwright ... I imagine that was the Chemist in Eastleigh and C/Ford, Frank Wainwright
    Reference Tizzard ... my memory tells me, perhaps incorrectly, that they lived in Kipling Road ... talking of Kipling Road, does Margaret Leatherdale mean anything to anyone ??? ...
    Does anyone remember the Goulds in Leigh Road, not far from Passfield Avenue, on the right heading towards Eastleigh ... there was Graham and an older brother, who's name escapes me ... the father was Squadron Leader Gould of MI6 fame ... the house had a Monkey Tree in the front garden, which always fascinated me ... I even tried to climb it once !!! ...

    Young Doug
    Western Australia

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  2. great stuff Doug, I don't know anything about any of the people you mention but I enjoy the mental picture of you climbing a monkey puzzle tree,
    Jim

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  3. The two comments re Bayliss are a real much needed joy infusion. I have had many hours searching but the nearest was a posting on FriendsreUnited by his sister I thought there was Joan and Audrey but that was 60 years ago. Re the fish shop my parents lived above the shop until they moved across the back lane circa 1932 to one of Hann's two up two down houses adjoining the dairy, after the death of my father in 1955 my mother and Mrs Alwyn (just remembered) Bayliss became quite inseparable, I believe she eventually moved closer to town presumably after Ennis died. The Tizzards, well Keith anyway are on site and Friendsreunited and were one of my Sunday paper deliveries in Kipling road. The Shaplands (Leigh Road) are also on site but unfortunately do not remember me Robin now lives in America. Have also been trying out a few other names if anyone recognises them. Ray Anstis, Korvin, Robert Stocker, Shiel-small Peter Barfoot. Brian Sewter, Ruffhead, Grindley (Big Alf & Little Alf from further up the line) Ray Shaw, Just a few to keep you all active Regards Scotty 1948-53 PS to repeat the news from last year my kids "moved me" to Brisbane where they could keep an eye on me, Doug will know I guess the Northern Hemisphere will have to file it. Thanks again for your memories.

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  4. Hi Young Doug
    I knew the Goulds both Graham and his brother John. John was older than me but Graham about the same as me. John was very clever took the old higher school cert when about 14.

    John later married the second daughter of family friends of ours (Jill Holloway) later divorced.
    Graham married a girl (forgotten name) whose father kept a pub by the river ar Bishopstoke and later The Tabby Cat at Hiltingbury.
    You probably also knew Ray Morgan just past the Goulds in Leigh Road.
    He went into the Army as a Red Cap and I last saw him working in Currys at Winchester
    He was always full of tall tales.(50% not true)


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  5. Hi Young Mick
    Graham Gould was, I think, in my year at one stage, but not, I don't think, in the Lit. stream ... John, as you say, was older than Graham and he was also taller !!!
    Holloway ... now that name rings a bell ... wasn't there a cycle shop in Eastleigh by that name ... same family by any chance ??? ...
    Talking of Pubs, there used to be an Off-licence (or was it a Wine Merchants) next to, or very close to, the old Regal Cinema, owned/managed by people by the name of Shave ... they had a daughter, Joan ... don't suppose they took the pub in Bishopstoke ??? ...

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  6. Hi again

    No my Holloways had no connection with the cycle shop.
    The father was a teacher at Toynbee school behind the cop-shop.
    Did you know Graham Parry whose father was bank manager at Barclays
    just up Leigh Rd from the station?
    He now lives on Skye after a varied career

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  7. Hi again

    No my Holloways had no connection with the cycle shop.
    The father was a teacher at Toynbee school behind the cop-shop.
    Did you know Graham Parry whose father was bank manager at Barclays
    just up Leigh Rd from the station?
    He now lives on Skye after a varied career

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  8. There we go again ... 'cop-shop' has just triggered another memory ... Don Broomfield ... use play the base drum in the JTC (CCF) Band ... his Father was Superintendant Broomfield at the Police Station ... they lived in the house on the corner of Leigh & Toynbee adjoining the cop-shop ... Don is in the 1949 CCF Band photo in the students album ... he is the big guy (No.6) behind 'Doc'

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  9. Talking about that Band photo ... does anyone know what happened to No.18, Jeffrey Eggins (affectionately known as Buggins) from Alresford ???

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  10. Hi Scotty

    Since you asked, I do remember Korvin, Shiel-Small, Grindley and Shapland (Robin I think). They were probably in 3A /3B (I spent time in both) or 4B and I probably parted company with them when I went to Lower Fifth Gen. I bumped into Shiel-Small in the Garrison Club, Nicosia in 1956 and Pete Barfoot is also on Friends Reunited. I think I may also have been in the same form as Ruffhead at one point, possibly 3A and I certainly know the names Stocker and Sewter although I think I remember Stocker as a Pre. Could that be right?

    Regards

    Peter Churchill

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  11. Hi Mick and all, The link is working, now I recollect Cliff and Brian Holloway (Desborough Rd) just up from the Chamberlayne Arms, not the chemist side of the family but builders, ran into the younger in Artillery in Cyprus 1956. The Regal cinema opposite the Odeon? memories of the original "Hot Bread" shop on the corner of the lane where we queued for Saturday morning flicks. Shave's Off licence is known but was never old enough to patronise it my limits were Torbocks Grocery store, Stubbunton's furniture emporium the lolly shops of Mrs Luffman and 'Old man Blackman" his grandson has been in contact through Friendsreunited, Sorry not much school relayed comment but interesting I hope. Regards Scott 1948-53

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  12. Hi Peter You have it right on Stocker was also v.g. Soccer player, Robin Norman George Shapland (just showing off a nomally disfunctional memory) is well settled in USA. 3B 4B then Lit Stream, how did I miss you, By the way I was in Nicosia (16LAA) in 56 at Ayios Dhometios about 7 miles on the plains, again how did I miss you? Demob date 10 Jan 1957
    Regards Scotty

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  13. Hey John

    Friends Reunited shows you, John Davey, Robin Shapland and me as being in the same year (1953) and, since I was also 3B/4B, we must have been in the same form at some point; so it is strange. My Form Masters were, in order of appearance: Tom Pierce, and EO (or was that V2G?). Don’t you have an old piccie you could post? I do – I just put it on my page. I’m the one on the right at Founder’s Day in my last year.

    I was on 6 Squadron at Akrotiri in 1956, during the Suez Crisis

    Regards

    Peter

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  14. Me again Peter
    I would love to send a photo but unfortunately divorces and transportation have me bereft of mementoes but I remember some old pix my first son showed me, he now lives 'up the road in Murgon' will see what I can glean from him. Re 6 Sqadron Cyprus, got in a friendly battle with some RAF guys at Kyrenia one Sunday over an inflated plane inner tube and on the opposite side was lad Harris ex Chamberlayne Rd/Toynbee road, remember having a couple of beers with him afterwards on the beach. regards Scotty

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  15. I was in Cyprus in '56 in Zyyi on the south coast with the Royal Engineers 42 Survey regiment. Bin to Kyrenia too, very nice little harbour. My brother Peter was in the RAF at Akrotiri probably 57 or 58. He was a working on Canberras.

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  16. Peter Smith sent me an e-mail about this thread, so I asked if I might post it here ... he said sure, so, 'ere 'tis ...

    Hi Doug

    While visiting the new PSSW site, I came across your blog which mentions the Goulds and other names. Graham was in my year at PSS, and I recall that he possibly had two older brothers (but don't know which school they went to). The family house in Leigh Road backed onto Dew Lane near Pirelli's. For some reason Graham came up into the Seventh Form late, after Doc had already appointed the Prefects for 51/52, and missed being made a prefect (and so was not in the 51/52 Prefects' photograph). Graham loved looking at things through microscopes, and went on to University to study bacteriology, at Bristol I think, and I hadn't heard of him since that time, until I saw his name in the blog.

    I remember Keith Tizzard from Eastleigh also, and I think he was a year or so after me at PSS. Didn't he have an older brother or two? A Keith Tizzard of about the right age was living at Ottery St Mary's, East Devon, while I was living in that part of the world (the late 90s/early 00s), but I never got to find out if he was the same person.

    Frank Wainwright was the pharmacist in Eastleigh and Chandler's Ford and I think he lived in Oakmount Avenue, off Oakmount Road (as a student I once delivered Christmas post in that area).

    There were several Holloway families in Eastleigh. One lived at 63 Cranbury Road, next door to my mother's sister and her family. As in many roads in old Eastleigh, the houses were all joined together and I remember when visiting my aunt sometimes hearing through the wall the Holloways shouting next door!!

    All the best for now

    Peter

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  17. Hi James

    I have just noted your entry re Cyprus. my brother
    Morris was there also from July 57 to July 58. (same Regt)
    He says there was only 1 cafe in the village. He went back in 1983 and then there were 2.

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  18. http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/SignedIn/NameSearchResults.aspx?searchType=member&Forename=keith&Surname=tizzard&quicksearchbutton=Search&search_forenameKey=-1&searchKey=-1

    The above site (Friendsreunited) will update Keith Tizzard's history for those interested. I thought he was on the School site also but did not have time to search around
    Scotty
    From the other notes we appear to have solved the Suez crisis on our own!!

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  19. Hi Scotty ... I also found this on Friends Reunited ... all these years and I didn't realise he spelt it that way !!!



    * Bryan Tizzard

    1943 - 1950 Peter Symonds

    Bryan hasn't written anything yet. Why not add them as a friend or send them a message to say hi?

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  20. hi mickdavey,
    That's interesting. I haven't had contact with anyone else who was at Zyyi, (pronounced Ziggi.) I remember one cafe, and perhaps only one drink, a localish wine called Comanderia St John, very dry, and not really drinkable normally but if there is nothing else... I often thought of visiting the village again but never got round to Cyprus on our Mediterranean jaunts.
    I was contacted by someone who was producing a history of National Service in the Royal Engineers and he was looking for contributions. I provided him with some photos which duly appeared in the book when it was published.
    cheers,
    Jim

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  21. Hi to all
    I have been trying to log my masters (of note) and came up with this pattern to the best of my 'knowledge'
    starting with the stage at noon and going anticlockwise Smith (Maths/cricket) Wattts (English/History) including a term with trainee Rappaport, Priestland (English superb instructor Had the honour to be corrected by him along with Robin Shapland forehand to our left cheeks followed by backhand to the right with such speed we were indeed corrected for all time, acroos the hall Priestly (Latin & boredom) Harry Boy (Senior Maths) Gladwell (German No 1 in my book faults might be clouded by school trips to Continent) ?Who taught (attempted) me French I honestly have no recollections, yet it shows up on my 'O' levels outside and up towards the Fives courts Tom Pearce (what did he teach me except gardening?) and of course Jack Northeast (Art) I still depict a horse as a box with matchsticks for legs, back inside and upstairs for Divinity with Doc although I recall more about "Time Team" tales of Winchester district, there must have been Physics and Chemistry, St John of course but memory fgails.

    PS re Ian's photo - I tried to leave a comment but no luck was it Leigh road residence?

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  22. I have finally dug up some recent past pix and posted them on my site take a peek you might like a look (historically speaking)
    Scotty1500

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  23. Hi Scotty
    Well, your posting has prompted me to try and remember my Masters/Mistresses from 1944 'til 1950 ... some are the same as yours, but not all ... when I have collected my thoughts (QUITE a process these days) I will post the results, so bear with me ...

    Re Ian's picture ... presumably, you are talking of a 'Test' photo Ian Baldwin posted in an effort to help me 'solve' the photo posting problem ... it showed a house known as '164' ... that has been deleted, as it was only a test run, but it was in fact 164, Bournemouth Road, Chandler's Ford, which was Ian's address when he was at PSSW and just round the corner from me in Meadow Grove !!! ...
    Keep smiling and keep the posts coming !!!

    Doug from WOZ

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  24. Well, I have had a think !!! ... a MASSIVE mental process, but one that many Masters at School would have applauded, particularly as, according to my reports, I was an 'Average' student (whatever that was ... it seemed to vary, depending on the performance of the highest and the lowest in the class) ...

    I started at PSSW in September 1944, having come from Nethercliffe Preparatory School in Hatherley Road, aged 10 and a half ... PSSW, at that time, was a 'Fee-paying' Public School and I remember an interview involving 'Doc' Freeman, my Mother and myself ... I remember 'Doc' asking me all sorts of ridiculous 'mental' questions, presumably to measure my academic status and suitability to join the School, but I swear his questions could only have been answered correctly by a 60 year old scientific genius ... well, I guess it was my Mother's charm that did it, because I was accepted and my 'time' at PSSW commenced !!!
    In spite of others that have said 'There was no such form', I started in 2A ... this was, as I learnt later, an 'Alphabetical' intake form, with 'A' to 'whatever' going into 2A and from 'whatever' to Z going in to 2B ... I was soon 'promoted' to 3A, due, as I believe it, to my 'ability' and then to 4A, 5.2.Lit, 5.1.Lit, 5.1.Lit repeat and, finally, 6.2.Gen ...
    In my 'early' days at PSSW, there were Mistresses teaching at the School, basically because a lot of male teachers, across the country, had been 'called up' and were serving in the armed forces due to the war ... regrettably, some of these were never to return ...
    My Mistresses were, Miss. Guy (English), Miss. Noble (Geography), Miss. Wright (Art) and Miss. Kay (History and the 'Heart-throb' of the School) ... I cannot remember at what point in time exactly, that the Mistresses were replaced by new and returning male counterparts, but I feel certain that it was an 'All Male' turnout by 1947 and possibly before ...
    Male teachers I had were:- Mr. Laverty (a.k.a. Bogs) - Woodwork; Mr. Fogwell (a.k.a. Foggie) - Music; Mr. Lowman - German (an excellent teacher); Mr. Ferguson (a.k.a. Fergie) - General Science (another excellent teacher); Mr. Cox (a.k.a. Pongo) - Biology (yet another good teacher); Mr. Watts (a.k.a. Larry) - English; Mr. (Major) Robinson - Geography and, later, Civics; CANY Yates - Geography; E.O.Jones - Latin; 'Doc' - Divinity (a.k.a. Docology); My Cooksie - History & Latin; Mr. (Major) Hammond - German;
    Mr. Northeast - Art; Mr. Barron-Renton - Art; Mr. Couzens - Maths (the best Master of all of them - I cannot for the life of me remember who taught me maths before Cozy - until Cozy, 1+1 equalled 3, but with Cozy, 'a switch was flicked' and maths, all of a sudden, had a meaning and I had an understanding and a Credit in School Cert);
    Mr. Preistland - English (another excellent teacher); Mr. Cass (a.k.a. Cissy) - French;
    The above were my main teachers, but at various times, for reasons I cannot recall, I was also taught by Mr.Gladwell - German; Mr. Woodley - English; Mr. Tanner - General Science;
    Mr. Woodhouse - History; Mr. Hawkins - Maths and Mr. Barwell - Maths.
    Well, subject to claims by others of any 'Senior's Moments', that is as it was ... an education which, although it did not give rise to any great achievements in the 'Cruel World', it did give me a firm foundation on which I was able to form my life and for that I am ever truly grateful ... Thanks PSSW

    Doug Clews
    Glen Forrest
    Western Australia
    February 2009

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  25. Well done Doug, already I have found one of my errors i.e. Latin Cooksley? The nearest I came to Pongo was staring at dissected frogs etc through the windows yet I have strange thoughts of his involvement in my education.Woodhouse was History ?tall elegant type,
    Scotty

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